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hi this is sean cahill and you're

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steve there's a lot of stuff i want to

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get to including an awakening we're

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going to speak about in just a moment

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but a lot of things i wanted to follow

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up on with you there i've made a few

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notes and i think that's one for for

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down the line if you would do me uh the

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pleasure of coming back on to speak

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about a variety of different things

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i want to ask just before we get to

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awakening recent hearings in the u.s a

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couple of weeks ago or on ufos or uaps

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happened in the congress how did those

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meet your expectations of of what was

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going to happen

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yeah okay well i watched them

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um and to be honest i thought it was

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same old thing going round and round and

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round yeah we had debates on out on

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objects in the sky with aircraft back in

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the 1940s 44 45.6

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you know with the food fighters and that

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type of stuff you know um

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it's just a regurgitation so we're

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backing it's just a replay of historical

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events going over and over it might be

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under a new name of uap but we're still

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back in the same situation ignore the

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last 70 years and rebooting the sense of

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speaking but

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they showed two pieces of two or three

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pieces of video footage all along

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absolutely useless all lousy

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you know to the point where well why

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show one where you can identify when you

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can identify what it is if it's infrared

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and it's causing triangular shapes for

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this lens and why even show it i've got

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better stuff yeah i've got better stuff

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here it could have shown a lot hearing

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um and asking questions about you know

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well you know the ic icbms being

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affected by europe it was like what what

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well we don't know about that we haven't

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been we haven't got paperwork on that

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hello where have you been for the last

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70 years you know this is how this is

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why

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it's so darn important that we we hang

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on to that we don't lose it 17 years or

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whatever information is so so important

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because we can go back and say well i

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got a second tell you what you do i'll

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give you the feed of information that

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failed don't even have to go to love

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with him i'll give him your pal here

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they are yeah there's 40 pages of

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documentary these generals these

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captains these lieutenants you name them

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right there's a big long list of all

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these people are involved it's trackable

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data you can go back and look at you can

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see the investigation you can see the

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conclusions you can see the results and

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they're signed off and they're official

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documents if i can find them for the

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foia these guys they should be able to

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have them in pet other planet no problem

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and that's the problem of ignoring the

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last 70 years yeah well we need data we

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need to find out new information and no

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you don't you know it's all there yeah

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you can call it a different name but

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still the same phenomena and the problem

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for me is now is that you know the cars

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it doesn't seem to be anybody's really

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pushing to say okay what is it

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and where do we go from now everyone's

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talking about a threat to that threat to

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that threat well we've always had the

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threat to that threat you know um when's

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the last time you ever took down an

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i don't really know where they

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you know um

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and what is that threat well the problem

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for me is is that when you generate

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enough threat it creates money because a

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defensive program has to take place in a

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defensive program when it's a threat

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cost trillions

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now trillions could be very usefully

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plowed into the warring of uh

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of space you know weaponry weaponizing

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space though that they keep playing

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every single year for it and again knock

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back through congress because it has to

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break the 1976 street the u.s treaty has

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space treaty act which is putting that

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purposely to stop any money from anybody

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and monopolizing their space they're

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already doing it that's why space force

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came forward not because they're going

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to do it that's because we're already

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doing it we can't keep a lid on it

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anymore so many defense contractors that

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know about it eventually it's going to

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spill let's make it official

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and then we'll bring it out so space

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force is official now because the first

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satellite i know was weaponized placing

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you know and that was linked in project

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moondust blue fly in gemini

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um and that was all linked into wright

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patterson air force base study of the

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phenomena so

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it's not you but defense money you've

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got to get you've got to play a story to

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get it to be honest with you and there's

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no better than the threat at the moment

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everyone keeps saying threat to that

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threat

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uh and my question is well you know even

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joining the second world war

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threat was they

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high high demand of threat at that time

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are they talking about icbms and

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wellbeing is a demonstration of power or

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or what's going on you know because uh

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you know is that is that a threat plague

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playing devil's advocate steve uh you

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may have heard this louis lozando in the

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past has talked about the the muddy

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prince that if you know if you wake up

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in the morning and there are money boot

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prints all through your house which was

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totally locked up totally secured you've

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got the best cctv and you've got the

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wife and kids you know and they're in

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their bed and the next morning nothing's

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moved no one was harmed but those muddy

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boot prints are there you're going to

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feel threatened because you don't know

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what it was you don't know who it was

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you don't know why they were there but

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you know something managed to penetrate

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your kind of secure

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living area

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and if you just blow that up to a

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government a powerful government or any

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government and you have a military which

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gets billions and trillions spent on it

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and you have you have all this fantastic

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technology you talk about that that we

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do have and any government and country

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has especially the us the chinese the

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would you not understand again i'll play

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devil's advocate that you would perceive

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that as a threat that there seems to be

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something else something better

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regardless of the the actual intent

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being known at as a threat um

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i think anybody would perceive it to be

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a threat yeah absolutely but um i mean

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internally though you know there was

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that exactly the same thing was

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the government u.s government we were

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very well versed in regarding what is

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really a threat or not

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because it's the same threat they had on

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the table 70 years ago and they're still

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back in the same place so what's new

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while all of a sudden is such an effort

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in regarding our world is a threat i

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mean it was 70 years ago with aircraft

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and flying around you know commercial

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aircraft and military aircraft you know

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misidentifying them as we flew across

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europe which was under the shape program

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you know where which has been monitored

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um but it's exactly the same if it is a

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when nothing happens in the last 17

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years and it's still a threat i mean the

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thing is is that you know

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we experience this phenomena

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and it hasn't changed it

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hasn't changed its routine it's always

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maintained what it wants to maintain you

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um we're not seeing something new at the

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new deliverable threat what we're seeing

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is it is the same offer

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that something is in our skies um

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and it could cause this and it could

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cause that well yeah i mean and that's

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always been the same

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in that if i was in the government i'd

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be looking at that and saying well it

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might be deliverable to the general

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public as a threat

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but really on record it's the same old

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same old same old same old which has

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been going on for last 70 years if not

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um and nothing happened throughout those

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so why are there not also now is it the

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determination for the threat

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it could be that you know that it's just

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a matter of you want to get any money

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into a research program you've got to

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show something or make it worthy to do

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so and it might be because you know

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there is lots of money it could be

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mean that they want to they want to

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objects in space uh so that they can fly

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down on these objects because they're

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moving so fast they have to use mesa

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weaponry they're never going to reach

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that back in the sts forces from the

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you know probably finally makes a weapon

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that leaves somebody who's object

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lennies can still help me with them

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so what about the reports of the

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obviously nuclear weapons being turned

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on and off again as our technologies

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improved and like you said if not

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actively as far as we know we should

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clap as you know clarify that done

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anything directly threatening but again

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speaking with my generals hat on here

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who's in charge of a nuclear arsenal the

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same thing yeah i'm looking going but

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these can turn off our best and most

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advanced weaponry again that's to me i

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would perceive that as a threat being in

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the military being in the government so

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i again i i appreciate that point of

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view and 70 75 years potentially longer

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biblical times and even before that

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have these you know cave paintings for

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god's sake you know

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is that a long time for them

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maybe they are just observing maybe it's

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not and for us look at the the

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advancements in that 70 years we've made

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technologically it just maybe comes to a

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point it's interesting i mean what's

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interesting is that when they analyze

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nuclear warheads

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and what they found was i mean they do a

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completely intact the nuclear warheads

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into but they were completely intact

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it's only when they actually took them

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apart what's inside that wires and

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things had been physically moved

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how does things physically move inside

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it's like it's a paranormal actions

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taking place inside the warhead

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deliverable by

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some beams of light we're coming from an

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object again it's just so profound but

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is it is it

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is it a demonstration of force um

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i don't know i don't know what the

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intent is behind it it's problematic

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um

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they've been offline and then suddenly

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just come back all right the last

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seconds you know

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um

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maybe is it it's not a demonstration of

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force it's certainly a demonstration of

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technology that they have maybe it's a

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message maybe it's to say look you know

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we have the capabilities of doing this

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um

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because you know i think certainly

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nuclear stuff um certainly grabs their

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attention absolutely i know not because

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i don't think that you know not because

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i think we care for you humanity i don't

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think that is the case i think we can't

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care for planet earth

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pulling least care about us you know

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because they don't seem to get involved

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in our walls and stuff very often so

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um but certainly attracted to the

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monitoring them so it reminds me of

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those old cartoons where you've got a

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bully with a weapon and the bigger

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stronger brother comes along and takes

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the weapon and just bends it and gives

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it back

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stop and you know they're not

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threatening but they're just making a

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point

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you know i find it amusing that they

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that they do that um and it's not just

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the americans they've done it see

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they've done it you know they've made a

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they made an effort to demonstrate

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something on a global basis

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um

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because at the end of the day you know

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are we taking in consideration upon it

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we don't think about that when we go to

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war do we you know we just think we just

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think about people and politics

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um we don't think about the planet and i

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think laughing might they might have a

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better understanding that well you know

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what we don't really care what you're

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doing but if it starts interfering with

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you know uh fundamentally the planet

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then

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we might have something to say about

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that who knows but never one of them

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actually intervened to try and assist us

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in regarding bettering the ecological

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system of planet earth it's always a

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one-line deliverable message

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which is pointless being given because

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they usually give it to school kids

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i was literally going to say about the

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aerial phenomenon documentary that's

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just been out and that was what you've

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seen it yes yeah i have yeah it was

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everything i'll tell you

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what i did it for me was and i keep

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saying about how this phenomena

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phenomena is so deceptive

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and manipulative

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is that most of the children run away

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from the craft when it came down on the

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ground but only a handful a few of them

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approached a craft which were gills

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funny enough

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um and

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they saw a particular entity on the

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craft which was first described as one

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entity on a craft

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uh which looked like a gray typical gray

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in the black boiler suit

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and then they're watching this thing um

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moving closer to it they're getting

370
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quite close

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and all of a sudden another one appears

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a flash

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but this one's got long dark air

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because the young girls had long darkest

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hair

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i think it was kind of a little bit of

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uh oh i'm a little bit like you

378
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and

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this figure

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um they said they're absolutely

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transfixed on this figure

382
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uh and not the one there's like the one

383
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on the craft didn't exist anymore

384
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they're looking at this thing and it's

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running from

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manifest just just appeared and

387
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someone's left

388
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but as it ran it was running really

389
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slowly like an astronaut on the moon it

390
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was like in slow motion and it'd get to

391
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the end and disappear like a light bulb

392
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go off and reappear and it happened

393
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again like a look

394
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and it was a loop it was like a it was

395
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like

396
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i don't think that was real i think i

397
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was here

398
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i think that that other entity

399
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was

400
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did this

401
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and it it was cloudy in the mind it was

402
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causing confusion it's been like the

403
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glamouring effect like i mentioned

404
00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:33,839
earlier i mean i mean and maybe that any

405
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real entity you know he's put on this

406
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lovely magician's hand display over here

407
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he's doing what he wants to do

408
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uh and they put poor kids those three

409
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kids didn't have a clue what was what

410
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was happening

411
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and only afterwards they would you know

412
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maybe got interrupted but only

413
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afterwards if he's you know you talk to

414
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them they were saying well i got this

415
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kind of message that he wanted us to go

416
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with him you know sort of thing and i

417
00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:58,240
thought well just to manifest that and

418
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:00,720
one with long dark air and it's a bit

419
00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:02,959
sinister it's a bit creepy it's a bit

420
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sinister and i think to myself that's

421
00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:07,120
that deception there you know oh look at

422
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this don't fall don't look at me i'm not

423
00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:10,079
important you look at this i'm

424
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generating your mind you know

425
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:13,440
and that's what i found really

426
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,720
interesting about that because i didn't

427
00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,399
know that um

428
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that they were deceptive probably parts

429
00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:19,519
of that

430
00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,199
experience until i found out the inner

431
00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:23,760
details of some of those kids so

432
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steve but i guess the same old story you

433
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,360
know why deliver that why deliver these

434
00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:29,199
messages to kids yeah

435
00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,279
you know i mean uh if you want to make a

436
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difference you can it's like a one liner

437
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:35,120
they all tell you it's like if you meet

438
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,560
new humans and they actually all this is

439
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,399
the one learning to feed them you know

440
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:39,920
because they all say the same thing

441
00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:41,600
pretty much what i've said though if you

442
00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:43,440
think of it this way those kids were

443
00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:46,079
given a message 25 years ago and at the

444
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,680
time it's that one-liner it's a small

445
00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:49,760
group of children and rural zimbabwe of

446
00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:53,199
all places however 25 years later uh a

447
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,040
very powerful documentary's been made

448
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which has had an impact had a release

449
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,120
which is now being seen by people all

450
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around the world if that message at the

451
00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:03,120
time which it was reported on didn't

452
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,639
really travel we didn't have the same

453
00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,120
type of broadcast media social media and

454
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,800
it seems that that message getting out

455
00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,560
now is the best time to do it because we

456
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:12,800
have social media so maybe the message

457
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:15,680
was delivered then to get out now

458
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:17,199
and spread well yeah i mean it's not the

459
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:18,720
first time i mean those messages have

460
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:21,920
been delivered since the 1950s you know

461
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:25,040
1951 was the first message about ecology

462
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:27,120
you know and it still didn't make any

463
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,639
difference a great degree against a

464
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:30,240
great engine of

465
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:32,160
of of the ecological system and the

466
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:33,680
companies that are associated with what

467
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,880
they want to do

468
00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:36,880
um i can't see any uh you know

469
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:37,839
documentaries are not going to be

470
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:40,000
impacting i mean it's just not going to

471
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,680
reach where they want to reach

472
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:43,920
um and i don't get me wrong you mean i

473
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:46,240
think they have on occasion they have

474
00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:47,839
the capabilities of knowing what's going

475
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,600
to be taking place in future events you

476
00:15:52,629 --> 00:15:51,199
know they know when certain things are

477
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,639
going to happen you know where to be

478
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:54,560
under certain conditions and it's

479
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:55,839
exactly the same with the phenomenon of

480
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:57,600
the paranormal you know i mean given

481
00:16:01,670 --> 00:16:00,000
information pertaining to 18 months into

482
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:01,680
the future and you get correct correct

483
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:03,120
correct

484
00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:04,720
at least i don't know how much the

485
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,560
phenomenon goes into the future but it

486
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,199
certainly has some information they can

487
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,600
give to you which is

488
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,120
yeah it makes you think that your life's

489
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,880
already set out which is a bit annoying

490
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,800
to be honest with you because that means

491
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,240
that we're doing really i'll be really

492
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,920
in judgment decisions

493
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,399
you know but we have accounts like that

494
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,399
many times in past psychological

495
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,480
research where we get fed information

496
00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:28,079
pertains to future events and yes it

497
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:29,120
happens

498
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:30,240
um

499
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:32,079
you know so and we we get a lot of stuff

500
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:34,959
in the new ufo phenomena where they seem

501
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:39,120
to um uh appear all these incidents

502
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:42,240
happening just prior to events taking

503
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:44,240
place in them locations you know which

504
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,040
is

505
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,959
you know you look over over a mall and

506
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:48,480
statistically you'd say well they must

507
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,839
have had some ideas something was going

508
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,440
to be taking myself

509
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,600
and it just makes it also more profound

510
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:55,519
there's a lot more profoundness to the

511
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:58,000
subject than just et's traveling the

512
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,000
vast distances of planets

513
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:01,600
to get here and

514
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,199
you know and examine those there's

515
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:05,600
definitely an interaction taking place

516
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,120
that's been going on for a very very

517
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:09,039
long time and regarding the

518
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:10,720
technological argument it's it's a

519
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,880
problem it really is

520
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,480
because you know for the average

521
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,079
ufologist now i mean how are you

522
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,880
supposed to ascertain what people are

523
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,720
really seeing or not is a real tricky

524
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:23,120
one because like i say a photo and a

525
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,880
video just won't do it now it won't cut

526
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:27,439
it you know it's just uh anything you

527
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:28,160
can

528
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,600
see in movies you know anything to be

529
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:31,520
manufactured now and that's the real

530
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:34,080
problem for us i think credible

531
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,440
multiple

532
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,440
independent witnesses is probably going

533
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,960
to put the topic

534
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,480
like like in other phoenix lights to

535
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,640
happen now where people have gone it's

536
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,880
like absolutely yeah when we're you know

537
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,640
when we've got radar data and so many

538
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,160
witnesses

539
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,640
it's fantastic you know but the video

540
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,559
and photos i'm gonna it's a shame

541
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,000
because people are witnessing these

542
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,760
things and occasionally the phenomenon

543
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,240
will allow yourself to be photographed

544
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:00,720
are documented but it's frustrating to

545
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:01,840
them because they're thinking wow you

546
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,840
know look there's me evidence well i

547
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:05,120
know but unfortunately it's going to

548
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:08,240
land upon a pile of evidence from

549
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:09,600
everybody else around the world we're

550
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,080
just still asking the same old question

551
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,679
i'm still trying to push forward the

552
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:15,440
whole point of project doorway was to

553
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,240
manufacture a study program

554
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:20,320
that brings a new deliverable of new

555
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:21,520
aerial

556
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,679
new areas of research using specialized

557
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,200
pieces of equipment

558
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,760
and and it also ties in with some of the

559
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,520
leading

560
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,440
research programs which are currently

561
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:32,799
underway

562
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,280
um by defense contractors regarding

563
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,720
wormhole technology and that sort of

564
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,280
thing um it's basically it's a it's a he

565
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,200
said we broke it into naturally what we

566
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,039
did is we provided it into a course

567
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:45,840
format a ufo investigation course a new

568
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,240
one for the 21st century ufologist

569
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:50,640
allowing to bring in those areas those

570
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:53,679
other areas of

571
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,520
other subjects pertaining to

572
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:57,760
similarities between them

573
00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:00,720
um and so that there are identifiers um

574
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,440
and

575
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,880
we at the first time we first released

576
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:04,559
it we had

577
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:07,919
some new fun investigators were doing it

578
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,480
because it just was a big step away from

579
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,480
the old nuts and bolts

580
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:14,160
phenomena traveling the bastards of

581
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:16,000
planet earth

582
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,400
because we now know that we are on the

583
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,240
verge of change and we having to

584
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,080
reinvestigate

585
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,440
and do things in a little bit of a

586
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,559
different way

587
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,280
um to get some answers because

588
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,799
you know we know we now know that

589
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,640
phenomena can be conjured

590
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,080
through the through the process of

591
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,679
belief it's coming it's done in the

592
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,679
scene you can see five protocols it's

593
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,720
like the same thing as around the

594
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,799
science state seance table with five

595
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,559
mediums or five meditators on the beach

596
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,840
no difference

597
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,720
um

598
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,559
we know that it's interact and that

599
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,640
phenomenon it manifests as conjunct is

600
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:48,720
the real phenomenon as well it's not a

601
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:51,039
you know it's not a

602
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,799
of trick it's it actually is the

603
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,640
phenomenal manifest so it's interactive

604
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,640
it's obviously consciously interactive

605
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,160
so it's um

606
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,480
we know that and he's right gria when he

607
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,320
says you know what the government

608
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,240
doesn't can't control that

609
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,480
you want contact then you can have

610
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,840
contact

611
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320
you don't need a government for that um

612
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,320
the downside is is that you need to

613
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,880
prepare yourself and be aware of what

614
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,880
you're going to be experiencing and i

615
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,200
would say you know as my colleague

616
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:20,799
said the same thing

617
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,240
um it's the um it's knowing it's

618
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:26,080
relying on that fight or flight response

619
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:26,960
your

620
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,640
understanding if you're in an

621
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:33,120
environment of danger

622
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,720
and the biggest problem now is that you

623
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,320
know many people just

624
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,919
go out with sky watches and

625
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,840
investigations they take the coca-cola

626
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,840
we got the miles bars and the candy bars

627
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,640
and

628
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:44,320
they they the amount of refined sugar

629
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,600
they're eating they've just reduced

630
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,159
their adrenal weakness so much like the

631
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,600
fight or flight might be screaming at

632
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,720
them to say get the hell out of there

633
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,679
and you can't hear it they're just

634
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,960
taking steps towards the phenomenon

635
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,120
that's the problem i always say stab

636
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,760
yourself if you find sugar for 72 hours

637
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,280
try and clear it at least as much as you

638
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:00,960
can from the body prior to a good

639
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,240
investigation you'd be surprised how

640
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,080
incredible the body can be regarding

641
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,159
informing you the biggest organ across

642
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,400
your body is your skin it will inform

643
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,240
you when you get those goosebumps and

644
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,840
what not the hair goes up that's what

645
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,880
it's for it's a survival sense and you

646
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,039
know to to rely on that and if you feel

647
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,720
like you know

648
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,960
he's a dame you're in a dangered area

649
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,159
just because you can't see it just

650
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,280
because you can't hear i don't mean it's

651
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,480
not there

652
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,799
and then back away don't be ashamed to

653
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,880
back away we've backed away many times

654
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,120
sounds sounds ridiculous but we have

655
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,640
done because sometimes you know we're

656
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,480
unaware of what's going on a bit of a

657
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,640
magician goes on sometimes

658
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,400
you mentioned the deceptive nature of

659
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,400
the phenomena and deceptive entities and

660
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,080
another set of deceptive entities would

661
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,240
be uk politicians and i just want to

662
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,240
actually i just want to ask you you know

663
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,080
the uk's place and this official

664
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,039
conversation we seem to be sadly lacking

665
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,360
well behind when it comes to ufos uh

666
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,679
baroness goldie a few months ago or even

667
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,280
last summer i think it was in parliament

668
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,520
was asked about the you know ufos and

669
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,880
what was happening in the us and

670
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,440
incursions into uk airspace and it was

671
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,280
it was chartered and laughed at and very

672
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,679
much brushed aside um do you see that

673
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,200
changing in the near future here in the

674
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,000
uk yeah i think at some point we're

675
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,520
going to be able to end up to the same

676
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,280
point like the u.s we will then enter

677
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,600
into the process of doing some hearings

678
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,679
by public demand you know i think i'm

679
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,039
going to sit back and see how it all

680
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,360
unfolds in the u.s first and problem is

681
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,120
is that you know that they've

682
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,280
they claim they want to be

683
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,200
forward and transparent and release

684
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,200
documentation still waiting to release

685
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,200
them for them to release my

686
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,640
my documents you know they're not even

687
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,240
released my files i submitted to them

688
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,559
which involved investigation of you know

689
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,799
three police officers two two training

690
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,919
robbers

691
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,600
you know there's a number of about three

692
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,440
investigations they've not released that

693
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,679
information it wasn't out

694
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:53,840
and so that's still

695
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,520
under the carpet somewhere you know um

696
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,880
so really it's not about being

697
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,520
transparent it's pretentious it's it's

698
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,760
it makes uh makes you think that they

699
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:05,039
want to be transparent when they're

700
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,480
putting out things which are just pretty

701
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,000
much useless to us just information

702
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,919
but the real core real good stuff is

703
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,159
being kept back purposely so there's no

704
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,880
trans you know transparency there

705
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,039
and it's it's a trick you know it's a

706
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,280
parlor trick to make you think that and

707
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,360
it's been done time and time before how

708
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,880
many times have you said oh we released

709
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,480
it all now and then oh by the way we've

710
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,559
just found a new lot you know they keep

711
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,919
doing this and i'm sure there's still

712
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,159
some a lot i like to say i'm waiting on

713
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,400
my three fouls to appear and mine happen

714
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,280
you know so um but i think that at some

715
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:39,039
point there will be enough public demand

716
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,159
to say

717
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,080
we have to have inquiry i don't wanna i

718
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,240
don't want hearings i want a proper

719
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,400
scientific inquiry done

720
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,159
with the knowledge that we've gleaned

721
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,120
for the last 70 years don't want no

722
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,039
new hearing why do we have to bring in

723
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,279
new faces look at the world stuff we

724
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,039
don't need to we've learned so much more

725
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,080
now um and we can pick up from there but

726
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,760
unfortunately it's kind of gone right

727
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,360
back to the beginning and being dragged

728
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,600
right through again and god knows you

729
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,240
know if if they've even got enough

730
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,559
information and energy to actually carry

731
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,720
him on to be honest with you because

732
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,400
this could go on for a very very long

733
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,840
time i'm hoping there's gonna be new

734
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,679
hearings and we're gonna force new

735
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,480
issues being looked at but

736
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,880
um the the way it's done in america and

737
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,320
the order of it

738
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,120
is it's a bit long-winded it's hard um

739
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,279
but i'm hoping so i think the uk will

740
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,360
get there to get at that point at some

741
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,440
point there will be there'll be enough

742
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,200
public demand to say we need some form

743
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,440
of hearing but then the uk then we're

744
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,279
responsible to turn around and say oh by

745
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,679
the way we're also going to reboot him

746
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,440
call it the uap phenomenon called

747
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,520
falling louder us

748
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,159
and that's again is a problem for us

749
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,919
speaking of public demand we'll talk

750
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,400
about the sold out awakening expo which

751
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:54,480
happens in blackpool uh in england

752
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:58,080
between the 24th and 26th of june um for

753
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,600
listeners who may not have heard of

754
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,240
awakening when did it start steve and

755
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,000
how has it changed over the years to the

756
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,760
scale it is now

757
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,559
um awaiting um

758
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,760
maybe about

759
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
six or seven years

760
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,679
probably a little bit longer maybe

761
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,200
um

762
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,679
it we mostly hold our events in

763
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:20,320
manchester at beaulieu's exhibition

764
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,440
center

765
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:24,080
and it was we quickly became the the

766
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:25,200
largest

767
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,000
um

768
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,000
event of its time in europe

769
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,840
um we're about two and a half thousand

770
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960
people sometimes just over

771
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,120
and this year we're doing a slightly

772
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,240
smaller event but it's a very

773
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,000
specialized event regarding ancient

774
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,320
mysteries that we do cover some aspects

775
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:43,919
of ufo stuff

776
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,120
um in blackpool on june 24th 25th and

777
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,559
26th

778
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,440
um and we've got

779
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,880
some of the main

780
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,080
guys

781
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,480
specialists in the field of study of

782
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,360
ancient aliens or international theory

783
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,080
attending uh giorgio cicales from the

784
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,960
ancient aliens tv show

785
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,520
eric von daniken will be there

786
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,679
um and numerous other researchers on

787
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,279
ancient mysteries and

788
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,039
strange things like that from around the

789
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,440
world but we do as i say we are covering

790
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,200
some aspects of the ufo stuff as well

791
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,440
we've got richard dota coming over

792
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,240
the uh the disinformation guys so

793
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,760
that'll be interesting

794
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:25,840
i i got some questions for you from

795
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,480
listeners uh about richard

796
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,279
attendance and controversial appearance

797
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,679
about that like oh yeah

798
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,919
um i'm sure i'm sure there will be i

799
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,279
mean let me paraphrase because there was

800
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,360
several of them and i'll put it politely

801
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,760
you know given his has passed you

802
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,360
mentioned disinformation agent that's

803
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,440
what people know him as um there you

804
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,960
know there's allegations of what he was

805
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,120
involved and he has talked about how you

806
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,919
know he professionally lied and that

807
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,760
would ruin people's careers and lives to

808
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:55,520
various extents

809
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,400
yeah

810
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,000
what is the thinking and getting someone

811
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,240
like that involved in this when there is

812
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,760
a train of thought with some that would

813
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,159
say he shouldn't be involved

814
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:07,440
because we know uh anybody will realize

815
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,480
when they've been involved in this

816
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,120
subject enough is that you never get

817
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,919
full disinformation there's always

818
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,159
partial information that's how it's how

819
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,840
they're trained that's how it always

820
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,039
works

821
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,080
and um you know even if we if he's

822
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,919
deliverable on the day

823
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,039
and after his lecture we can take 75

824
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,200
percent of our way and leave us 25

825
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,200
percent of real truth

826
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,120
then that's intriguing because there's

827
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,200
25 percent of information there is truth

828
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,480
we're going

829
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,320
we are going to be monitoring exactly

830
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,000
what he's saying

831
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,159
and and we have to take that line of

832
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,320
stance that you know he's still beyond

833
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,640
the bandwagon you know as a guppy

834
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,679
and still disinforming but all all

835
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,000
disinformation officers are always told

836
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,480
to blend the truth with the uh

837
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,000
and what we're going to do is say we

838
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,840
we've come a lot further now we do know

839
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,120
that there's some a lot of elements of

840
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,440
truth we can identify now it's not like

841
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,960
the old days

842
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,960
um so we're hoping now some of that

843
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,799
information will be really interesting

844
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,399
there might be some elements of it which

845
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,240
is completely not true

846
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,640
um it's hard to know forever be sure i

847
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,720
mean he's retired now and he says he's

848
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,480
quite happy to come and talk

849
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,279
about his involvement with um with this

850
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,640
subject

851
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,640
um and i think it's just a fact it's a

852
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,760
matter of

853
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,000
people being intrigued i mean people

854
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,279
have said you know why would you have

855
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,360
someone leo wanna come and talk well

856
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,399
yeah because

857
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:33,679
it is intriguing because did did he have

858
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,159
access the big question is did he have

859
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,080
access to that information

860
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,559
because where is when he's talking about

861
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,159
his stuff where's that coming from

862
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,520
where's the documentation where's the

863
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,880
information going on because it's not

864
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,200
just circling around on the internet

865
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,960
it is it's new material that's coming

866
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,039
he's come forward and talked about

867
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,200
uh and it's not only on the internet so

868
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,880
where's that where's that information we

869
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,960
delivered from so it's intriguing you

870
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,799
know i think you know his dislike and

871
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,360
his like but at the end of the day you

872
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,520
know we we some we submit whatever

873
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,279
people are going to say i mean i try and

874
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,600
keep as much evidence as i possibly can

875
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,440
when it comes to moving forward in the

876
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,240
subject i've never had richard doty ever

877
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,200
talk

878
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,159
and though that i'm very very well aware

879
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,760
of his background and the things he's

880
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,200
been involved in

881
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,679
and but also i know that 25 percent of

882
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,279
what he's going to be telling me is true

883
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,039
because that's how they're trained you

884
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,080
know that's that's what got me intrigued

885
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,760
more and more of these conferences and

886
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,159
expos around the world are springing up

887
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,840
and happening with more regularity

888
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,480
especially in the us it's much harder in

889
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,399
the uk to get you know especially on the

890
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,840
scale that you're putting on with

891
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,120
awakening and you'd put on with

892
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,480
awakening

893
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,799
we mentioned before and you're 40 plus

894
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,039
years in this subject and going back 70

895
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,000
years there's been a real there was a

896
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,760
stagnation at one point in the ufo

897
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,320
subject and then i feel in 2017 i

898
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,159
mentioned that changed and a whole host

899
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,320
of new names and new faces

900
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,240
came on board including people

901
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,159
interested in the subject but new

902
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,480
witnesses came forward scientists got

903
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,640
more involved people like avi leweb and

904
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,600
many many others now on the bandwagon so

905
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,640
to speak

906
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,039
how do you see awakening adapting as an

907
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,960
entity to accommodate the different

908
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,360
areas of interest that people have

909
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:19,279
well i think so much more next year

910
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:20,399
because

911
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:21,720
the

912
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,200
2023 um awakenings which is back in

913
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,559
manchester

914
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,720
um and it's gonna be the full the full

915
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:30,799
blown the full main event

916
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,320
um but the large one um we have i mean

917
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,159
the whole topic is about ufology evolved

918
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,240
i think that's actually the the header

919
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,399
name you volunteer ufology involved

920
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,279
because it has it has evolved it has

921
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,720
evolved like you just said with new

922
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,559
research new people

923
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,200
you know and um i mean i'm involved with

924
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,799
the the scu which is scientific

925
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,399
coalition and european studies which is

926
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:54,240
a big tank in the u.s

927
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,120
and

928
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,679
we're associated with the work that abby

929
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,840
lowe is doing and

930
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,559
the the you know in the pulse of eric

931
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,720
davis i mean we we shared at the same

932
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,760
conference a few days ago

933
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,519
and how put up and all these people are

934
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,080
involved in certain in

935
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,240
certain projects with information which

936
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,279
is intriguing and we're pushing forward

937
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,600
um and the whole point of the this

938
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,440
awaiting for next year

939
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,360
is about that side is about pushing

940
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:25,039
forward into these notes where do we go

941
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:25,840
now

942
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,760
is it going to be such a big impact

943
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,919
in regarding the information

944
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,559
that um you know that louie's going to

945
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,559
be coming out with you know because he's

946
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,480
he's with us next year

947
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,200
um he'll have his new book out hopefully

948
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,279
and we're sharing some things that have

949
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,279
never been talked about before

950
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,360
um and it's you know it's it's about

951
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,240
moving forward where did we go from here

952
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,480
and what parties are involved you know

953
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,799
avila webb and many others as other

954
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,640
researchers out there are providing

955
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,480
their piece to the puzzle their

956
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,559
specialist work and like what's

957
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,919
happening i'm seeing a little bit more

958
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,919
of an academic and i'm glad of that

959
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,320
don't get me wrong more of the academic

960
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,559
lesson the circus please yeah but more

961
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:17,039
of the academics looking forward because

962
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,559
though that we can all have a good laugh

963
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,320
at this phenomena you know because it is

964
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,960
quick and unusual there is a seriousness

965
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,840
to it

966
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:25,200
real com

967
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,880
phenomena and you know how it interacts

968
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,000
with people

969
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,080
um i like you mentioned before you know

970
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:36,880
do we do do we need

971
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,320
to be defended against this phenomena

972
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,559
it's the old thing is you know well you

973
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,720
know what do we do should should should

974
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,440
the dog turn on you you know it's that

975
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,519
scenario and we've all been there we

976
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,159
think about this all the time um i don't

977
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,159
know if it's ever reachable i don't know

978
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,799
um it's hard to know but it's about

979
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,519
delivering answers so i think next year

980
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,360
it's a bit more the science side about

981
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,039
how we're moving forward with some new

982
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,600
information yeah i think there's always

983
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,679
a room for and i use the word and people

984
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,279
have mentioned this in the past some

985
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,279
find it offensive to say the woo

986
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,880
but that's just the way to to

987
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:14,000
accommodate

988
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,120
the spinach

989
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,120
yeah that's it and then we've got the

990
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,960
nuts and bolts scientific side of things

991
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,960
and for me for too long there's been a

992
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,960
lot of conferences worldwide where you

993
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,559
look at the list of names

994
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,279
and it's sort of woo after woo after woo

995
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,120
and what we have now is a chance and i

996
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,960
would love to see me personally as a fan

997
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,640
and someone who actually was meant to

998
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,399
attend my first awakening conference in

999
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,120
2020 i had tickets um

1000
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,519
it got cancelled so i started a podcast

1001
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,120
and here we are talking and i'm going to

1002
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,120
be attending awakening with a stand this

1003
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,679
year which is which is really cool but i

1004
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,440
want to see names on there not

1005
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,000
necessarily the same old names from that

1006
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,240
you mentioned circus and that old-school

1007
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,880
ufology of you are right absolutely you

1008
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,120
know but like i i mentioned avila webb

1009
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,640
but also you've got the debrief with

1010
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,240
journalists like tim mcmillan who'd be

1011
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,559
fascinating to listen to uh i'd love to

1012
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,080
hear from if you know you could get

1013
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,960
pilots like fravar dietrich at graves

1014
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,359
any of again there's a fee involved for

1015
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,280
you and if these people want to come and

1016
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
you know the logistics of it and younger

1017
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,320
speakers as well because so many more

1018
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,079
people i don't class myself as young at

1019
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,639
36 but i don't doubt when i turn up to

1020
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,480
awakening in blackpool i'm probably

1021
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,240
going to be on the very very younger end

1022
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,639
of the demographic attending let alone

1023
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,560
anyone speaking at the event and i

1024
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,639
really think there's a massive gap in

1025
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,800
any of these

1026
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,399
yeah i mean you know as well as i do

1027
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,960
when it comes to awakenings i mean i try

1028
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,399
i mean we've had a lot of props and

1029
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:39,679
things and maybe a little bit like a

1030
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,159
comic-con in the past uh just so we can

1031
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,079
introduce new

1032
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,399
uh a younger audience

1033
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,480
into the subject because uh we've got to

1034
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,879
consist you know consider where where

1035
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,320
we're going to be in 30 years time he

1036
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,520
was going to be doing the research you

1037
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,839
know um he's going to be the the person

1038
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,760
to deliver this information pick up and

1039
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,119
won't carry on

1040
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,359
um because it seems to be the same in

1041
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,119
crowd or a lot of the time in different

1042
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,200
places and it's the same thing that's

1043
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,960
going around the same information i mean

1044
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,720
surely from year to year

1045
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,480
they just they couldn't they wouldn't

1046
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,000
have the time to conduct all the

1047
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,240
research on investigations just to

1048
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,240
deliver new lectures every single year

1049
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,160
it's too much hard work

1050
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,680
but they've got their ear to the ground

1051
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,000
but at the same time

1052
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,440
there's a lot of things that's getting

1053
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,560
missed lots of things um so

1054
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,119
hopefully hopefully you know next year

1055
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,960
it will help us go in a little bit more

1056
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,480
of us

1057
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,040
and more of a bit of an academic path

1058
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,480
because i think

1059
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,240
we for the very first time we can start

1060
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,680
introducing them

1061
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,440
because these have been interested

1062
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,280
coming to the subject interested because

1063
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,960
of what's happened with the pentagon

1064
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,960
intervention coming out it's caught

1065
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,079
their eye

1066
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,480
uh without too much woo should we say

1067
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,839
because we don't want to scare them off

1068
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,280
but they say at the end of the day

1069
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,760
though some of this phenomena is we will

1070
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,560
yeah like and i had this discussion with

1071
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,040
the guys at scu and i said look you know

1072
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,640
i work

1073
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:04,880
my my specific job

1074
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,760
title working is paranormal mechanics

1075
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:10,000
and fringe topics within the realms of

1076
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,200
uap

1077
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,920
and power psychological work that's my

1078
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,160
given specific area

1079
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,680
and it's it's it's there it's

1080
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,599
deliverable the conclusive evidence is

1081
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,640
there

1082
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,040
and they said oh yeah you know we know

1083
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,040
we you know you say oh yeah we know we

1084
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,119
know it's a bull

1085
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,960
he said we can let's we need to

1086
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,200
accumulate and keep it you know but we

1087
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,640
can't we've got to drip feed it to the

1088
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,200
science guys because if we just go whoa

1089
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:37,119
there it is they've got to go oh my god

1090
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,400
i don't want to be involved in this you

1091
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,400
know and we don't want nobody wants that

1092
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,320
because this is for the first time we

1093
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
really are getting some

1094
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,079
you know we're breaking from ground with

1095
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,760
new academics coming from academic

1096
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,200
research going forward offering their

1097
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,280
services and new information coming from

1098
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,040
outside those circles and that's

1099
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,560
brilliant that's that's a big

1100
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,760
achievement

1101
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,720
um

1102
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,720
so i'm hoping that we we can carry on

1103
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,520
doing that and next year is is no option

1104
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
no no different at all well this year

1105
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:05,760
2022 i'll be there with my colleagues

1106
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,880
from uap media uk dan who calls with me

1107
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
uh graeme rendell who is an expert you

1108
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,160
mentioned the foo fighters has released

1109
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,839
his second book and he's got his third

1110
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,599
on the way soon on the foo fighters of

1111
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,760
world war ii fascinating if you were

1112
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,760
looking for a name for 2023 graham's

1113
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,560
presentations are incredible um if you

1114
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,240
were looking for someone uh dave

1115
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,359
partridge will be there with us and

1116
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,960
vinnie adams and i think you're probably

1117
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,680
in his podcast recently as well um so

1118
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,040
we'll be there to meet people and speak

1119
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,320
to listeners i know a lot of lessons

1120
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:34,960
have bought tickets for it too 2022 is

1121
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,520
sold out but 2023 when will that go on

1122
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,560
sale

1123
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,160
uh well we've still got a few tickets

1124
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,760
left i mean ticket quarter we were

1125
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,760
advertising we'd have to stop

1126
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,920
using a week or two before

1127
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,320
um but you still have a few tickets

1128
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,320
available for purchase on the door on

1129
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,960
the day which is fine we just can't go

1130
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,400
through the process like ticket quarter

1131
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,760
doesn't where we've taken electronic

1132
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,320
payments um but you can purchase tickets

1133
00:38:04,230 --> 00:37:59,920
on the door on the day

1134
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,240
um and uh tickets for 2023

1135
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,760
and the pre-public tickets will first go

1136
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,200
out to

1137
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,800
those that are attending in blackpool

1138
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,800
first for next year allows them to get

1139
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
their ticket early because we have a

1140
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,119
vision that that's going to end up being

1141
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,839
sold out quite quickly because we we

1142
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,320
have planned some well and i can't tell

1143
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,760
you now but we've got some we got some

1144
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,839
plans for some big names coming

1145
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,640
alongside here we have like devil sims

1146
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,240
and he's going to be providing some of

1147
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,440
the new latest data and regarding some

1148
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,119
of his work and analysis so that's going

1149
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,400
to be interesting

1150
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,040
um and um and of course some of the

1151
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,880
other stuff i mean only we got you know

1152
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,880
we're going down that side with

1153
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,760
with luic where we're hoping to get into

1154
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,680
the uh the whole i can't mention names

1155
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,079
at the moment but um once we've got them

1156
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,560
confirmed we're in negotiations at this

1157
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,240
moment so once you've got them confirmed

1158
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,000
with me it should be very very

1159
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,520
interesting well i certainly look

1160
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,440
forward to to being there finally two

1161
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,520
years after i was meant to attend as a

1162
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,839
just a normal fan you know i'm going to

1163
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,760
be there in a professional capacity but

1164
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,359
looking to to meet people and enjoy it

1165
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,920
as well um to finish up i just want to

1166
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:11,200
ask you a couple of listener questions

1167
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,240
steve if you don't mind you've been

1168
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,520
fighting yeah sure and just to confirm

1169
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,200
the winner of the pair of gold tickets

1170
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,280
for the weekend for the competition i

1171
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,520
ran on the podcast that were generously

1172
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,520
donated by awakening it was davey

1173
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,599
johnson davey's been contacted to

1174
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,960
confirm his attendance he's going to

1175
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,800
enjoy the weekend take along as plus one

1176
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,800
so enjoy that davey and thank you

1177
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,400
everyone who got involved as well please

1178
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,560
do come and say hello to the uap media

1179
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,240
stand i'll be there or

1180
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:38,079
definitely on the saturday i won't be

1181
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,119
there on the sunday because i'm

1182
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,880
attending liam gallagher at hampden in

1183
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,440
glasgow so but i'm there on the saturday

1184
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,119
with my colleagues and look forward to

1185
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,960
speaking to people um but let's fire

1186
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,320
through some questions i've got dave

1187
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,680
smithers who i know is going to be

1188
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,960
awakening so look forward to meeting

1189
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,440
dave again he asks what do you make of

1190
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,200
the reported beliefs of the collins

1191
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,119
elite about the phenomenon really being

1192
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,440
of demonic origins and tricking us all

1193
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,280
do you think those in the u.s military

1194
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:03,119
and intelligence community still buy

1195
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,560
into this

1196
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,640
i believe some of them still do buy into

1197
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,480
it i know there's there's been many

1198
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,480
incidents where

1199
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,520
should we say certain um study programs

1200
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,400
have come to a grinding halt because the

1201
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,319
phenomena demonstrates something that is

1202
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,960
non-desirable for researchers or even in

1203
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,680
the

1204
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,400
involved with

1205
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,440
um

1206
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,280
and they do

1207
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,440
it does the problem is is that the

1208
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,960
phenomena does

1209
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,680
uh show aspects of that it really does

1210
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,359
in the i mean this is why it has a close

1211
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,800
connection with the supernatural and the

1212
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,079
occult was a lot of germans were

1213
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,760
involved area

1214
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,520
very heavily into it

1215
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,800
and

1216
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,079
yeah

1217
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,240
there is a lot of evidence to support

1218
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,440
that that there's these um aspects which

1219
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:50,960
do fall that way

1220
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:54,720
uh it's problematic yeah i mean

1221
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,280
like i say even if you want to start

1222
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,319
getting into because we obviously we're

1223
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,160
already taking the mindset we're working

1224
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,720
on a base plate of information well even

1225
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:06,480
the original information about you know

1226
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:07,359
the

1227
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,000
those sort of things is is again

1228
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,480
not correct you know it's it's that if

1229
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,640
you actually check into those sort of

1230
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,760
things and the references and the

1231
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:18,880
information

1232
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,800
um it is it's not all factual

1233
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,200
and things have been added and changed

1234
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:26,400
and

1235
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,480
does i mean how do one how does one

1236
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:33,760
recognize

1237
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,119
a phenomena i mean and the name is you

1238
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,640
know is just a name at the end of the

1239
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,400
day the devil the demon whatever it's

1240
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,079
just a name it's the same thing that we

1241
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,240
investigate in the paranormal field so

1242
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
many people say oh demonic entity

1243
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:49,119
it's all one of the same thing you know

1244
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,319
it's just you just categorizing

1245
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,319
something by its actions

1246
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,400
you know and if you you know anybody can

1247
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,560
have a really bad day

1248
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,839
you know so it's it's problematic but to

1249
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,640
the answer to that question is yes i do

1250
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,880
believe there are aspects of this

1251
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,359
phenomena which is non-desirable for

1252
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,839
obvious reasons and i'm not the only one

1253
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,280
that's actually referenced that i

1254
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,119
believe a u.s senator came out mentioned

1255
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,440
about that some of these projects that

1256
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,520
they wouldn't work on because the the

1257
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,880
people working on these specialized

1258
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,000
programs

1259
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,240
um um didn't want to get involved with

1260
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,920
it because the phenomena demonstrates

1261
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,640
things that they recognize as demolition

1262
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,160
it actually is

1263
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,319
there is a full section military

1264
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,839
investigation

1265
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,560
and work coming on a full section called

1266
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,400
demonic technology

1267
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,319
that exists you know how pulsar

1268
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,119
mentioned this uh only a few weeks back

1269
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,920
so yeah there is some aspects to that

1270
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,680
next question from tree of life we

1271
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,960
mentioned portals before um has steve

1272
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,119
found any correlation between clouds of

1273
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,359
orange yellow mist and portals some

1274
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,359
examples terry sherman of skinwalker

1275
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,680
ranch mentioned seeing an orange doorway

1276
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,000
in the sky linda godfrey referenced the

1277
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,000
missed repeatedly and monsters among us

1278
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,079
and victor goddard the raf pilot who

1279
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,040
allegedly time traveled in 1937 did so

1280
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,839
by flying into a yellow brown cloud

1281
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,720
yes sometimes yes um there's not just

1282
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,560
you know a couple of various different

1283
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,560
colors which have been seen

1284
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,880
um amber is a very popular color when

1285
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,480
you say orange you say

1286
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,400
amber we refer to a lot of these things

1287
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,560
as amber then um

1288
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,480
and um

1289
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,920
they do vary

1290
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,319
in size and in shape

1291
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,760
um

1292
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,520
if you're dealing with more the the

1293
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:35,680
ground-based phenomena

1294
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,119
um associated to certain um

1295
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,800
ancient science and places like that

1296
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,640
then that's a little bit different

1297
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,920
because

1298
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,800
um it starts off by allegedly apparently

1299
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,440
being audible uh i know barry my

1300
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:50,640
colleague is

1301
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,630
it was something was actually happening

1302
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,160
with this if you i hate the name

1303
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,160
possible that's so bulger can't get away

1304
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,119
from it um and recordings he obtained

1305
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,520
recordings of shifting rocks rocks

1306
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,839
weren't shifting around but also the

1307
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,839
drum a drumbeat the drumbeat was coming

1308
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,200
from the other side

1309
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,839
uh so it was recorded not from this side

1310
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,599
so and it's a bit like the paranormal

1311
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,359
stuff you know it's like capturing evps

1312
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,319
and dvps and things like that but um yes

1313
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,119
there is there are some um

1314
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,200
some of these are very much triggered

1315
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,000
trigger responses at times some are

1316
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,240
incorporated by the phenomena so

1317
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,400
manufactured by the phenomena

1318
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,319
and some are natural but the natural

1319
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,880
ones will tend to use

1320
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,359
certain significant locations at certain

1321
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,800
times um be it sunrise and some sunsets

1322
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:43,839
as well

1323
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,309
can manifest them or utilize them you

1324
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,640
know in some way so it seems to be two

1325
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,079
different variables

1326
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,079
uh davey who was the ticket winner of

1327
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,599
the pair of gold tickets asked a

1328
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,000
question as well very lucky davey does

1329
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,079
steve see any parallels between his

1330
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,160
areas of magnetic anomaly where there

1331
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,880
are hot spots of activity and bruce

1332
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,960
cathy's harmonics of the world magnetic

1333
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,200
power grid other energy lee lines as

1334
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:14,400
well uh le lines dragon lanes etc

1335
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,280
yes

1336
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,680
absolutely yeah plus dude i mean these

1337
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,680
are i mean these are also identified by

1338
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,240
our ancients our ancestors who built

1339
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,800
places resident chambers specifically on

1340
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,480
certain key areas

1341
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,000
because they knew that they could uh

1342
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,760
they could utilize these locations as

1343
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:31,599
some form of doorway

1344
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,520
or a method of being able to commute or

1345
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,880
contact

1346
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,280
um the other side the other side will be

1347
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
for communicating with deities or gods

1348
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,680
or obtaining information

1349
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,280
and that sort of thing

1350
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:46,800
um

1351
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,400
associated rather than

1352
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:54,960
ancient sites but more associated with

1353
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:58,960
the materialization of uap phenomena

1354
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,079
of various types and sizes um

1355
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,680
and those are places over 250 nano tesla

1356
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,640
um

1357
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,640
if you were to see them on a magnetic

1358
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,760
map would be kind of dark purpley black

1359
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,960
areas

1360
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,680
what i can say about the negative ones

1361
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,440
because myself and bowie's done a lot of

1362
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,720
i keep saying about that he's barry

1363
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,560
fitzgerald he used to be the

1364
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,640
um the lead investigator for ghost

1365
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,040
hunters international but um

1366
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,920
uh bowie's very much into this site so

1367
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,079
you know so he always is his passion

1368
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,520
and we've been working together quite a

1369
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,359
number of years now on this

1370
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,599
um but um

1371
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,000
we realized that even in negative areas

1372
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,640
instead of derby dark blue areas

1373
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:42,000
and statistically if you want to do

1374
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,520
chelsea now you'll find that these high

1375
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,560
amounts of suicide illness crime

1376
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,560
so there's there's a

1377
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,200
geological the geology of the of the

1378
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,760
earth has an effect on the psyche

1379
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,599
um and the consciousness of those that

1380
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,960
live in in that area you know so

1381
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,480
um but there is a little bit more to it

1382
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,160
because you know you have military sites

1383
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:03,920
that seem to

1384
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,960
be relocated to negative areas or places

1385
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,400
where ancient sites are you only got to

1386
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,040
go down to salisbury plain to realize

1387
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,800
that you know that they're building

1388
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,599
these these weapon factories and

1389
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,599
and um

1390
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:20,559
and certain plants for chemicals

1391
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,079
um in places where ancient sites sit you

1392
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,599
know then there's there's a reason for

1393
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,800
that but

1394
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,480
that'd be a whole new show a whole bunch

1395
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,160
of shows yeah there's a lot of those who

1396
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,839
could go and the tangents off all from

1397
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,839
this one and final question just because

1398
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,359
we are really running a time you've been

1399
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,680
very generous steve ash wants to know a

1400
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,640
little bit more about your

1401
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,040
investigations at the winter hill area

1402
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,280
in the uk and your best theory to

1403
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:45,040
explain the high strangeness in that

1404
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,079
area

1405
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,680
yeah winter hills we've had strangeness

1406
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,119
for many many years i mean it was a

1407
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,440
coven monster which were relocated up

1408
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,119
there i mean during the 1600s a

1409
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,880
controlling coven

1410
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,960
uh are practicing witches which were

1411
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,160
relocated over there and um

1412
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,920
so they they've stayed over there for

1413
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:03,599
quite some time but it's a location

1414
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,400
where

1415
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,119
cryptids have been saying um and

1416
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,359
experience ufo phenomena is a regular

1417
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,119
thing there lucky for me to look at my

1418
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,359
bedroom windows instead

1419
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,119
i don't i don't live here

1420
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:17,119
just for a switching reason i could look

1421
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:18,890
straight out the window and and i'm

1422
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,910
and i've experienced a few things up

1423
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:25,920
there myself some weird things

1424
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,880
um it's it is notorious for that up

1425
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,160
there you know i'm gonna talk about

1426
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,040
certain locations if geology geology

1427
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,000
geology you know and uh that particular

1428
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,000
location over there we see strife we've

1429
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,000
not only paranormal morphological and

1430
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,000
creatures as well now actually so and

1431
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,680
he's actually been especially unusual

1432
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,960
animals

1433
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,760
not too long ago um i lived in spitting

1434
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,480
distance of it purposely because uh i'm

1435
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,000
always i'm still on the ball

1436
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,079
investigating that place and i've been

1437
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,920
involved investigating winter hill for

1438
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,559
many years including a many black case

1439
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,119
uh whether you turned him after a cattle

1440
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:03,119
hand witness to the ufo in one of the

1441
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,160
fields

1442
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,800
um and there's other cases

1443
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,000
on windsor hill which are really

1444
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,440
fascinating

1445
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
um it seems to be one of those places it

1446
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,119
seems just a tracks phenomena and

1447
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,200
occasionally you know just keeps rearing

1448
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,839
its head and people experiencing stuff

1449
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,200
brilliant steve you've been wonderful

1450
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,800
with your time and just to finish off

1451
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,480
can you uh tell people how they can

1452
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:25,040
follow you online and also your work as

1453
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,319
well

1454
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:28,640
absolutely yeah i mean there is my own

1455
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,109
and on there you can see some details

1456
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,800
our first scientific document is up

1457
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,800
there our first one of ten on project

1458
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,280
doorway so it gives you a bit of an idea

1459
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,280
on the uh the magnetic and knowledge and

1460
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:45,280
how phenomena see me leaning that's with

1461
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,160
it

1462
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,599
um you can get a hold of me through

1463
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:49,920
phenomena magazine which is a an exam

1464
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:54,079
which is free to download every month um

1465
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,359
along with all back issues that's

1466
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,720
phenomenal magazine dot co dot uk um or

1467
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,079
you can get in touch with me just

1468
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,240
basically through youtube youtube

1469
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,760
channels we have quite a lot of them

1470
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,599
with the zohar channels people

1471
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,079
recognizing phenomena magazine has its

1472
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,079
own youtube channel and we're all we

1473
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,000
have a multitude of different platforms

1474
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:14,240
on on facebook as well including my

1475
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,440
myself

1476
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,839
and i know organizations map it

1477
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,400
m-a-p-i-t manchester's aerial phenomenon

1478
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,760
investigation team which i'm the

1479
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:22,960
chairman of which i've been running

1480
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,950
um and it was formed in 1973 so it's

1481
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,119
still going and i'm also the founder of

1482
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,960
scp the scientific establishment power

1483
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040
psychology based in the uk

1484
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,960
in manchester so um

1485
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,280
any places like that in your fans so you

1486
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,720
know so many different players i'll just

1487
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,599
say

1488
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,839
google me steve mirror you'll find me

1489
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,240
somewhere um if anybody has any

1490
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,760
questions or wants to get in touch then

1491
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,000
uh just just get in touch with my my

1492
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,520
emails out there personal emails out

1493
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,680
there we'll link to all these websites

1494
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,760
brilliant folks awakening expo is

1495
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,240
happening in blackpool england 24th to

1496
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,559
26th of june like steve says tickets

1497
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,000
will be available on the door please

1498
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,520
come along say hello it would be great

1499
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,800
to meet you and i'm sure you'll have a

1500
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,880
wonderful time as well steve thank you

1501
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,079
very much thanks andy thanks for you

1502
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,160
that is all for this week's show thank

1503
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,079
you very much for listening please

1504
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,160
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1505
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,800
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1506
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,040
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1507
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,480
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00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,079
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1514
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,319
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1515
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:42,480
again folks as always keep looking up

1516
00:52:06,309 --> 00:51:44,830
you never know what you might see

1517
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:15,200
i don't think he expected me

1518
00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:21,430
[Music]

1519
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:22,870
i can't imagine how it could have been

1520
00:52:53,920 --> 00:53:00,740
scare me

1521
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:10,549
[Music]

1522
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:16,240
and what's that